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i'm a union man and i know charlie is very fondf unions. we love unions, but we want people to have the right to choose whether or not they belong to a unn. a clothes shop wherehey have to have the union and i don't think that's freedom, if you want to join the union by all means, but to make it mandatory, that seems a bit harsh. >> neil: but the unions are spinning it the other way in michigan, charles, what do you ke of that? >> and ben makes the great point. the unions feel like their back has been against the walls and have for a number of years. in michigan, this is the way we can be competitive. liste everyone talks about the great comeback in detroit in the auto sector, that's a mirage. michigan's in trouble, detroit is in trouble and this is how they compete on the national scale, ultimately, a global scale. >> neil: dagen? >> versignificant that this is happening and by the way, this is just the right to not have toay union dues i you don't want to belong to a union first and foremost. >> neil: and you got that. >> very significant
i'm a union man and i know charlie is very fondf unions. we love unions, but we want people to have the right to choose whether or not they belong to a unn. a clothes shop wherehey have to have the union and i don't think that's freedom, if you want to join the union by all means, but to make it mandatory, that seems a bit harsh. >> neil: but the unions are spinning it the other way in michigan, charles, what do you ke of that? >> and ben makes the great point. the unions feel like...
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michigan's governor driving the motor city in to a fight over the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday spiritual. our friend is back at the table with tips to dare we say it enjoy the season? >>> all and that a federal case of it. why when it comes to gay marriage the train can't be stop. neither can we. it's "the cycle" and it's monday, december 10th. >>> it's monday, fun day here at "the cycle." let's get the party started. where will it land today? fiscal cliff? huh. so much for fun. well you know what? we at "the cycle" can make it fun. look at this. the president living it up in motown last hour calling on republicans to stop being party poopers. >> i believe america only succeeds and thrives when we've got a strong and growing middle class. i want us to bring down our deficits but i want to do it in a balanced, responsible way. an
michigan's governor driving the motor city in to a fight over the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday spiritual. our friend is back at the table with tips to dare we say it enjoy the season? >>> all and that a federal case of it. why when it comes...
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can it do to unions? the law probably strengthens unions. >> if this is a right to work state, it makes it illegal for unions and employers to man tateidate that employees be part of the union or pay money to that union. >> or destroy when they have to stay afloat. one or the other. >> kagy gray is the reporter for the detroit free press and joins us now. this happened very quickly. it looks like we have not seen the end of this fight. democrats and union activists and anybody who supports the unions about finding a way to overturn this. they have three options and is to pursue a legal challenge to how the law was passed in the legislature. the second involves beating sick snyder, the governor's race that requires them to win both houses. it looks like a long shot that looks like the boast bankable bet to collect signatures equivalent to 8% to the total number of votes cast. that means 258,000 signatures. then they can get a referendum on this. is that the best bet for people to overturn this? >> it's sti
can it do to unions? the law probably strengthens unions. >> if this is a right to work state, it makes it illegal for unions and employers to man tateidate that employees be part of the union or pay money to that union. >> or destroy when they have to stay afloat. one or the other. >> kagy gray is the reporter for the detroit free press and joins us now. this happened very quickly. it looks like we have not seen the end of this fight. democrats and union activists and anybody...
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enforced union states down 3.4%. that is a significant statement when it comes to right-to-work states in this country. >> it sure is. the real bottom line to it is people are voting with their feet. since 1990s -- since 1990 every time we've reapportioned the united states house of representatives, the right-to-work states have gained eight to nine representatives while the forced unionism states have lost eight to nine. the difference since 1990 has been 25 seats going from the forced unionism states to the right-to-work states. people are voting with their feet. people don't want to be forced into unionism, they don't want to have a pay a union to keep their jobs. lou: and the fact of the matter is that a heritage study shows a quarter of union members would stop paying dues if they could. they're being begin thaa opportunity under legislation. as we reported, 22 states considering it this year, four of them actually got it done including now most recently, of course, the state of michigan. how powerful is this mo
enforced union states down 3.4%. that is a significant statement when it comes to right-to-work states in this country. >> it sure is. the real bottom line to it is people are voting with their feet. since 1990s -- since 1990 every time we've reapportioned the united states house of representatives, the right-to-work states have gained eight to nine representatives while the forced unionism states have lost eight to nine. the difference since 1990 has been 25 seats going from the forced...
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right to work does not ban unions. it makes them stronger because now the union has to be accountable to their members and cannot take them for granted. gerri: i am sure many union members agree with you. we need some control and level playing field for workers. thank you for coming on. if you get some kind of movement on that night, please let us know. we would love to report it. thank you for coming on and showing us these numbers. it's just amazing. thank you. joining me now, is jerry brown. welcome to the show. it is great to have you. we played this very controversial soundbite from this woman who said it should be quid pro quo for detroit. do you agree? >> no, i do not agree. i can look out my window and see general motors and see what happened with the bankruptcy when the federal government got involved. the cfo lost their jobs from the board of directors lost their jobs, and there are restrictions to the money coming in. so the federal government. the city of detroit knows what the problems are. the question is
right to work does not ban unions. it makes them stronger because now the union has to be accountable to their members and cannot take them for granted. gerri: i am sure many union members agree with you. we need some control and level playing field for workers. thank you for coming on. if you get some kind of movement on that night, please let us know. we would love to report it. thank you for coming on and showing us these numbers. it's just amazing. thank you. joining me now, is jerry brown....
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in a good union maybe 60%, 70% of the workers will voluntarily give dues to the union. that's in a union shop where they're very active. that's in most right-to-work states. so i think what you're going to see in michigan as you look at the uaw it has 150,000 members in michigan. i think they're going to lose about 50,000 members. i mean my best-case scenario, what that translates to is a loss of $30 to $40 million a year in dus revenue. it hurts the ability of the uaw to do things and is losing $30 to $40 million they'll be spending tens of millions to refill this later. >> eliot: one of the things that mystified me about the bill signed into law today why are cops and firefighters excluded. why is this good for workers? did he carve out the two unions that are friendlier to the republican party than any other? >> yeah, i mean cops and firefighters unions tend to be friendlier to the republican party. the police union i endorsed bush several times. cops and firefighters tend to be friendlier to republicans although many of them are solid democrats as well. so i think t
in a good union maybe 60%, 70% of the workers will voluntarily give dues to the union. that's in a union shop where they're very active. that's in most right-to-work states. so i think what you're going to see in michigan as you look at the uaw it has 150,000 members in michigan. i think they're going to lose about 50,000 members. i mean my best-case scenario, what that translates to is a loss of $30 to $40 million a year in dus revenue. it hurts the ability of the uaw to do things and is...
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back was broken by a bunch of thug cops who hated unions. now, all i want to say to those guys there are a lot of you out there who have done remarkable work for the workers in the country. do not take what you heard here. it's not people who understand all your history. there is no reason to have to. >> greg: you can bring that up to negate any criticism of the union to commit violence against innocent people. well done. >> eric: we have to go. that is if it for "the five." thank you for watching. >> dana: on that note. >> greg: unbelievable. >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. this is a fox news alert. tonight, michigan, the home of the american automobile industry, state that has been dominated by big labor unions, is now a right to work state. michigan's republican governor has just signed a bill in to law ending union ability to force workers to pay dues. february they are not in the union. democrats are predicting a warning of blood in the streets. here is what the governor said moments ago about why he supported the legislation. >>
back was broken by a bunch of thug cops who hated unions. now, all i want to say to those guys there are a lot of you out there who have done remarkable work for the workers in the country. do not take what you heard here. it's not people who understand all your history. there is no reason to have to. >> greg: you can bring that up to negate any criticism of the union to commit violence against innocent people. well done. >> eric: we have to go. that is if it for "the...
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stuart: new video from the teachers union may further that argument. we will show it to you when our voice of reason in california mike reagan joins us atat0:45. >>> i do not give specific investment advice. it's not what we do on varney & company, and besides i'm the guy who invested in microsoft. you wouldn't want a stock tip from me now, would you? having said that, here is my take on real estate. i still think a single family home in a solid neighborhood is a good investment. think about it, taxes on dividends, interest and capital gains, almost certainly going up, so get a dividend payment and a tax bite goes up. sell a stock, sell a bond, and the tax goes up. but a house? no dividend, no interest, and if there is a capital gain, it's long-term, and you choose when to pay the tax. plus, home prices remain low, and the cost of borrowing for that mortgage is the lowest on record. so you can buy cheap and let your profit accumulate, tax-free, and you have a few write-offs when the tax bill does come due. i don't know what's going to happen to stocks
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ohio, unions won. wisconsin, unions lost. michigan, another union heavy state, we could see something else entirely. that said the president going there and most likely the president is going to voice his opposition to this, i think that also elevates this issue a little bit more than it would have been otherwise. >> also heavily symbolic, don't you think, dana? michigan was one of the grandfathers of the union movement. this is a place where i think a lot of people felt for many, many years that as challenges to unions went, this was the one that was likely to hold strong. >> right. it's highly some bollic to take it to the uaw right there in the heart of all their power. it's no secret that union power, particularly in the private sector, has been declining for a long period of time. but, you know, the question is, less whether they can win the battle in the short term but if there's a backlash of the regular voter, nonunion voter saying why are you wasting your time with this stuff? >>> standing up for malala. historic glo
ohio, unions won. wisconsin, unions lost. michigan, another union heavy state, we could see something else entirely. that said the president going there and most likely the president is going to voice his opposition to this, i think that also elevates this issue a little bit more than it would have been otherwise. >> also heavily symbolic, don't you think, dana? michigan was one of the grandfathers of the union movement. this is a place where i think a lot of people felt for many, many...
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i don't view it as anti-union. they are more proactive to presenting it to workers and say they should want to join it be part of it. this is first and foremost about worker choice. and second thing it is about economic development. we've watched what has gone on in indiana since they passed similar legislation and they have seen a significant increase in the numbers of companies talking about thousands of jobs to their state. first about workers choice but more about more and better jobs for our people. it's positive legislation for the state. >> it was not parts of your original aany da and it's being done in the lame duck. i suppose that's an issue that -- that the people are asking for, why wasn't it part of your original agenda and why did you wait for the lame duck? >> if you think about it, over 80% of workers don't have this issue. they aren't unionized so it applies in michigan to about 17.5% of our workforce. that's significant but most people don't have it as an issue. if you look where michigan was at,
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how do they get to what you do with the unions? you sit down with the union guys. >> and we solve the problem. 99% of the time we solve the problem. one of the problems is norquist. you can't make a contract with congress to do it your way. i think norquist has to go away. >> well what should be done? what type of plan would you like to see? how do we stop the spending and at the same time get everything out of control to right the ship? >> i think the americans should be outraged. they should call their congressmen and write to them and say how can you take off when we are ready to fall off the cliff? i think we are going to fall of on the cliff. i think -- >> what does it mean if we fall off the cliff? >> i think the stock market could have an adverse reaction which could create a barnyard opportunity for some people who have the courage. but courage is hard to acquire sometimes. >> and bo the tom line -- and bottom line, if they don't have an agreement will it be solved? >> i think common sense will prevail in january. they are
how do they get to what you do with the unions? you sit down with the union guys. >> and we solve the problem. 99% of the time we solve the problem. one of the problems is norquist. you can't make a contract with congress to do it your way. i think norquist has to go away. >> well what should be done? what type of plan would you like to see? how do we stop the spending and at the same time get everything out of control to right the ship? >> i think the americans should be...
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ineptitude, corruption, and big union thuggery. maybe that's redundant. >> where is mayor dave bing on this? i thought he was going to be here. i know governor snyder has tried to essentially take over detroit, but i don't think he succeeded. so where is bing on this? >> dave bing has come out and said yeah, people have an entitlement mentality. the workers in the city of detroit, he knows. dave bing has done some things wrong, but he's a lot closer to it than joanne watson is. the governor tried to take over, tried to use an emergency manager power to say that the state can take over. and the city of detroit, the people went nuts. they called it racism, they called it all kinds of stuff and said they're taking away our vote. larry, i stood with them. i said you're right, those people should have their vote. but when detroit screws up, when the mayor of the council screws up, you're on your own. don't expect a bailout from us if you want that local power. >> we're going to leave it there. doc thompson, thank you very much. well put
ineptitude, corruption, and big union thuggery. maybe that's redundant. >> where is mayor dave bing on this? i thought he was going to be here. i know governor snyder has tried to essentially take over detroit, but i don't think he succeeded. so where is bing on this? >> dave bing has come out and said yeah, people have an entitlement mentality. the workers in the city of detroit, he knows. dave bing has done some things wrong, but he's a lot closer to it than joanne watson is. the...
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that was about the relationship between employers and unions. this has nothing to do with that. right-to-work is about the relationship between the union and workers, and this is about being co-workers, giving workers the choice. if anything, this should encourage unions to be more responsive to workers in terms of saying they need to show a value proposition of why they're a great place to join. >> now to the numbers. michigan has the fifth highest percentage of unionized workers at more than 17%, but it's hardly alone attacking the right-to-work laws. 23 other states have already done the same. >>> now developing overseas, north korea has defied international warnings by firing another long-range rocket, the second such launch under new leader kim jong-un. the surprise launch happened last night after north korea indicated it was having technical problems that could take weeks to resolve. fooled us. korea state tv claims the launch was successful, delivering a "peaceful satellite" in orbit. however, the u.s. and south korea believe it was another attempt by the north koreans t
that was about the relationship between employers and unions. this has nothing to do with that. right-to-work is about the relationship between the union and workers, and this is about being co-workers, giving workers the choice. if anything, this should encourage unions to be more responsive to workers in terms of saying they need to show a value proposition of why they're a great place to join. >> now to the numbers. michigan has the fifth highest percentage of unionized workers at more...
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because of the union contract. only because of the union contracts. >> bob: c'mon, bob. you can find a video like this. >> bob: i can find it in every right to work state in the south lunch break. >> eric: they'd get fired. >> kimberly: they're not from texas. >> bob: they don't get fired in the south? >> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means whoever is not a union member gets the sweat they put in to it to get the good jobs. they're scabs because they don't put in the union political fund. >> dana: 24 states have lower unemployment rate and other states are not right to work, while shouldn't michigan, at least they have a democratic process. it's passed. the governor has been thoughtful about it. people, majority of people support it. why not let them try something that would alter history? >> kimberly: why not? >> bob: why not bad handguns in countries that don't have murder. here we ban them and it -- >> greg: the funny thing is we talk about greece, but befo
because of the union contract. only because of the union contracts. >> bob: c'mon, bob. you can find a video like this. >> bob: i can find it in every right to work state in the south lunch break. >> eric: they'd get fired. >> kimberly: they're not from texas. >> bob: they don't get fired in the south? >> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means...
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or not in the union? >> i think that's something that we need to talk about. >> greta: you're resolutely opposed to it. >> i'm opposed to them jamming thethis through this this manne. if they want to have a conversation about who is in and who is out and what the rationale is, i'd like to listen. maybe i might change my mind. with them doing it in this fashion at this juncture with a sweeping new law, i'm opposed. >> greta: so you're resolutely opposed to the manner it's been done, lame duck, but you're not resolutely opposed to the law. >> i'm willing to listen to all sides of the issue. that's what our founding facts envisioned when they created the committee process and the debate and checks and balances. everyone should be offended that we were all cut out of this. >> greta: i say very tongue in cheek that you have a different procedure than in wisconsin. we're not going to see the state democrats senators hit the road like they did in wisconsin. >> unfortunately we don't have the option of shutting t
or not in the union? >> i think that's something that we need to talk about. >> greta: you're resolutely opposed to it. >> i'm opposed to them jamming thethis through this this manne. if they want to have a conversation about who is in and who is out and what the rationale is, i'd like to listen. maybe i might change my mind. with them doing it in this fashion at this juncture with a sweeping new law, i'm opposed. >> greta: so you're resolutely opposed to the manner it's...
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a long rich union tradition who will always choose to be part of the union. and i think the unions have to make it. they can't automatically assume in a right to work state that people will pay the dues. >> john engler, former governor of michigan, we got a lot in in a short amount of time. >>> up next, we have the results of the final tea party versus establishment showdown of 2012. that's right. there was an election on saturday. we'll tell you -- remind you where it was. plus, mitt romney took a ringside seat for a post election bout watching a member of congress fight. we'll tell you where that person is a member of congress. >>> a guy who knows how to throw a punch announced he's coming to washington. how many u.s. presidents also served as secretary of state? and who was the last one? [ male announcer ] where do you turn for legal matters? at legalzoom, we've created a better place to handle your legal needs. maybe you have questions about incorporating a business you'd like to start. or questions about protecting your family with a will or living trust
a long rich union tradition who will always choose to be part of the union. and i think the unions have to make it. they can't automatically assume in a right to work state that people will pay the dues. >> john engler, former governor of michigan, we got a lot in in a short amount of time. >>> up next, we have the results of the final tea party versus establishment showdown of 2012. that's right. there was an election on saturday. we'll tell you -- remind you where it was. plus,...
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you decide, is this teacher's union all wet? after months of campaigning for the president, bill clinton and the president should be best of friends; rig? ed, author of "the amateur"ays his sources say they are anything but. ♪ ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] oh what fun it is to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list atthe winter event going on now through december 31st. [ santa ] ho, , ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 e350 for $579 a month at your lal rcede deale lieu lie -- lou: well, you got to love former president bill clinton, interesting words on the fiscal cliff. in an event in sacramento, the president declared the whole standoff between president obama and the republicans as, quote, just a kabooky dance, two dogs that meet each other over a piece of meet, sniffing each other out, and moving towards a deal. with that elegance in mind,d, we welcome author of "the amateur," best selling author we have to say. friction here. that's not a helpful thing to say. i mean, he's not talking higher taxes, bu
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there is no requirement today that people pay union dues or belong to a union. what the law says is this. if a majority of employees vote to be represented, if they decide to do that and if the employer decides to agree that there can be a requirement that people pay their fair share for representation. that can be done. it should be emphasized under the federal law and the state law where a majority decides to be represented, the representative must, must represent everybody regardless of whether or not they're a union member. there can be no distinction. i talked to someone today at detroit diesel. he said this. he went down to the plant in north carolina. there was on a t-shirt, it said, "i ride. you pay." essentially people want to be free-riders and not be responsible and pay a fair share of the cost of representation. after a democratic election. that's what this is all about. >> ifill: let me talk to state senator prose about that. how do you respond to this idea that there's no need for a law like this? >> i think when you look at the issue of right to w
there is no requirement today that people pay union dues or belong to a union. what the law says is this. if a majority of employees vote to be represented, if they decide to do that and if the employer decides to agree that there can be a requirement that people pay their fair share for representation. that can be done. it should be emphasized under the federal law and the state law where a majority decides to be represented, the representative must, must represent everybody regardless of...
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you decide, is this teacher's union all wet? after months of campaigning for the president, bill clinton and the president should be best of friends; right? ed, author of "the amateur" says his sources say they are anything but. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ ♪ [ male annouer ] the mercedes-benz winter event is back, with the perfect vehicle that's just right for you, no matter which list you're on. [ santa ] h ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 ml350 for $599 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. at your local and you see the woman you fell in love witd but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is theonlyd to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask your heart is healthy enou for sexual activity. do not take cial if you take nitrate
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. >> union busting is disgusting! (laughter). >> jon: dude, you're from michigan, detroit, "8 mile." you've got to come up with better rhymes that busting-disgusting if you want to win the khraoe climactic rap. you have to put effort into it. (laughter) (cheers and applause) look, you have one job at one factory, when you seize every benefit you could, yo, our palms are sweaty, knees week, arms heavy, working in a factory all day building chevys, like the volt, you plug it in, and then you win -- ecologically, because if it was an actual race you would not -- actually. you've got to dues collect for the unions oro bahts are going to come and take away our jobs or to the chinese kids with the tiny hands to work and go -- ♪ this of ha tunety comes once in a lifetime note? note yo! (cheers and applause) you know what i realized? if i perform my hoff-torah a as bad as that i would owe my relatives money. for more we go to aasif mandvi in michigan and jason jones in indiana. there's not much kpet advantage in doing somet
. >> union busting is disgusting! (laughter). >> jon: dude, you're from michigan, detroit, "8 mile." you've got to come up with better rhymes that busting-disgusting if you want to win the khraoe climactic rap. you have to put effort into it. (laughter) (cheers and applause) look, you have one job at one factory, when you seize every benefit you could, yo, our palms are sweaty, knees week, arms heavy, working in a factory all day building chevys, like the volt, you plug it...
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he actually talked about good union jobs. certainly, chatting with a lot of having the united autoworkers as a backdrop is sending a message he's on their side if he didn't sy that in the remarks but another explosive labor battle in the midwest. in michigan is the newest battleground there. >> mark, thank you very much. >>> more now on the heavy duty negotiating taking place over the fiscal cliff. that's part of the reason that the president is in michigan bringing his message to the people and yesterday the president and house speaker john boehner brought their message to one another. the first one on one in more than three weeks. will there be a deal to include what's called serious entitlement reform and cuts? joining me now congresswoman bass of california. it's a pleasure to have you on again. >> thanks, thanks for having me on, tamron. >> absolutely. the president is in michigan. i want to read what senator dick durbin said on entitlements and reform. let me play it. >> i do believe there should be means testing and th
he actually talked about good union jobs. certainly, chatting with a lot of having the united autoworkers as a backdrop is sending a message he's on their side if he didn't sy that in the remarks but another explosive labor battle in the midwest. in michigan is the newest battleground there. >> mark, thank you very much. >>> more now on the heavy duty negotiating taking place over the fiscal cliff. that's part of the reason that the president is in michigan bringing his message...
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you've seen the unions come out and say they don't want to see any changes at all that would hurt payoffs to beneficiaries in terms of health care. that would be one of the sticking points between republicans and democrats. we would have to see more detail from boehner's office and how they plan to get to the number of $600 billion. >> broadly speaking, these numbers are similar to where they left it on the table last year during those failed negotiations for the grand bargain. these numbers are similar to the simpson/bowles reduction plan, too, aren't they? >> that's right. this sounds a lot more like where they were in the summer of 2011, as you point out, than what the president talked about last week. >> so essentially the republicans are -- the republicans are coming back with what -- where they left it last year and the president has offered what he had been saying all through the campaign this year. they're starting with this very same numbers they've been talking about all this time? >> yeah, that's exactly right. clearly what the republicans are saying is, we're willing to go thi
you've seen the unions come out and say they don't want to see any changes at all that would hurt payoffs to beneficiaries in terms of health care. that would be one of the sticking points between republicans and democrats. we would have to see more detail from boehner's office and how they plan to get to the number of $600 billion. >> broadly speaking, these numbers are similar to where they left it on the table last year during those failed negotiations for the grand bargain. these...
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everyone who benefits from union representation should at least pay their fair share for that. >> sir, thanks so much. democratic congressman from michigan, hansen clarke. >>> i want to pass long again, watch live coverage of the president's remarks in detroit later today. the president expected to speak at 2:00 p.m. eastern time. we want to bring in our political power panel for monday morning. kerry rudolph brown. democratic jat gist jamie harrison. republican strategist chip saltzman. great to have you here. i know you were listening to the congressman there. right now democrats do appear to be winning the debate in the court of public opinion. 60% favoring the hiking of taxes on incomes over $250,000. but, chip, i want to ask you, how much longer can the gop continue its posturing on this? because it's kind of a faye ta come plea that this is going to happen. taxes are going to go up no matter what they do. >> first of all, whenever you poll somebody should we raise taxes on the rich people everybody says yes. that poll is meaningless to me. yeah, i think something's going to get
everyone who benefits from union representation should at least pay their fair share for that. >> sir, thanks so much. democratic congressman from michigan, hansen clarke. >>> i want to pass long again, watch live coverage of the president's remarks in detroit later today. the president expected to speak at 2:00 p.m. eastern time. we want to bring in our political power panel for monday morning. kerry rudolph brown. democratic jat gist jamie harrison. republican strategist chip...
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on the union level, unions have got to start organizing the unorganized. too many years were spent just focusing on their own numbers. that's why you know this in michigan there's this weird divide between union members and non-union members. the non-union members are making less, but they don't see when the unions do well, they do well. european unions after world war ii, here is what they did differently. they decided not to just work for their own members. they wanted societal change so the reason why you have universal free healthcare throughout all of europe is because the european unions in the 40s said we don't want this just for our members, we want this for everybody. everybody has got to have -- >> jennifer: which is really the history of the u.s. labor movement was too. that's what those laws were in the 20s and 30s to provide universal 40-hour workweek and we don't have child labor laws. that's true. i would say unions have an opportunity globally especially in countries that are now growing, like china to be able to level the playing field a l
on the union level, unions have got to start organizing the unorganized. too many years were spent just focusing on their own numbers. that's why you know this in michigan there's this weird divide between union members and non-union members. the non-union members are making less, but they don't see when the unions do well, they do well. european unions after world war ii, here is what they did differently. they decided not to just work for their own members. they wanted societal change so the...
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but jonas it right, a lot of tiesike detroit are heavily unionized. they invested heavily in these gold-plated cadillac-like government pensions as the revenues have dropped off and diminishednd detroit is a great example, people leaving the cityow for decades. they find they can't pay these pensions. so in a nutshell,hey mismanaged their money and now they're coming-- don't blame the council woman they did help to get president obama elected. look, we did youolid and unfortunately it's not the right way to go, i d't think anyone wants to bail out detroit for mismanagement. >> brenda: julian, what say you. >> i think we have to define the terms, quid pro quo and bailout are unfortunate terms. i think that jas made the rit point. you have to separate long-term and short-term issues. long-term, the same way that the government reformed entitlement, the state has to reform pension programs. and many states and governments are doing that. in the short-term, however, it's another question when you're in an economically very difficult time, if the states an
but jonas it right, a lot of tiesike detroit are heavily unionized. they invested heavily in these gold-plated cadillac-like government pensions as the revenues have dropped off and diminishednd detroit is a great example, people leaving the cityow for decades. they find they can't pay these pensions. so in a nutshell,hey mismanaged their money and now they're coming-- don't blame the council woman they did help to get president obama elected. look, we did youolid and unfortunately it's not the...
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all the legislation does according to republicans is make optional union dues and union membership for everyone other than police and firefighters. union members say it attacks their foundation and in all places, michigan, the cradle of organized labor. >> you will have people that will be working right alongside of you that will not have to pay union dues that you pay union dues but will still be able to get all the benefits from being a union member. >> reporter: unlike the drawnout labor standoffs we have seen. this moved rapidly through the legislature during the lame duck session. republicans have the numbers. the demonstrations got ugly with eight people arrested and pepper spray. they insist republicans violated open meeting laws by keeping the demonstrators out of the chambers. and they will challenge the language in this legislation. alisyn: tune into "your world" with neil cavuto at rick snyder joins neil on his latest on the right to work fight. where he sees this issue going amid widespread opposition. we are getting reports opposition protesters broke through military barr
all the legislation does according to republicans is make optional union dues and union membership for everyone other than police and firefighters. union members say it attacks their foundation and in all places, michigan, the cradle of organized labor. >> you will have people that will be working right alongside of you that will not have to pay union dues that you pay union dues but will still be able to get all the benefits from being a union member. >> reporter: unlike the...
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it strikes me as what happened with the sale of state ies inrises and companiy the soviet union. how do we make sure we are not taken in these public-private partnerships and are not giving a monopoly power for something that perhaps should be provided as a government service? >> one of the problems we have with the weather service right now is the fact that they have not been able to fly their new modern satellites. we risk a lot of the label information going forward because the government has not been capable of moving forward. -- delay of information going forward because the government has not been capable of moving forward. there are a number of ways that you can write bills to ensure that kind of activity, as i mentioned before, you can do it through a mechanism where the federal government remains actively involved in how these companies are doing their job, and provides an annual stream of funding. there are ways of structuring this that would assure the public interest is still maintained. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from california, mr. rabat. >> let me echo
it strikes me as what happened with the sale of state ies inrises and companiy the soviet union. how do we make sure we are not taken in these public-private partnerships and are not giving a monopoly power for something that perhaps should be provided as a government service? >> one of the problems we have with the weather service right now is the fact that they have not been able to fly their new modern satellites. we risk a lot of the label information going forward because the...
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every politician in new york, the unions, the tanks, everybody did what they swore they would not do. so whether the discipline comes from laws or the ability of somebody else to take something away if you do not behave in a responsible and prudent fashion, these problems and dollars we are talking about is sufficient consequence to require careful examination of ways to keep this society together. >> let me interrupt you right there so we can get a chance to bring everybody in. i wanted -- want to thank everyone for their remarks. in the opening remarks, i want to throw a few questions to you. in particular, given the, about the match and how it varies. would you describe on the health care fund is innovative. the problems on the federal level for finding ways to deliver health care. one of those approaches that is talked about a 10th of the affordable care act is the authority to experiment with episodic payment spiritous a to a physician you do not get paid more by doing more. you'll get paid for treating the patients in a way that patient needs to be treated. you are doing that. i
every politician in new york, the unions, the tanks, everybody did what they swore they would not do. so whether the discipline comes from laws or the ability of somebody else to take something away if you do not behave in a responsible and prudent fashion, these problems and dollars we are talking about is sufficient consequence to require careful examination of ways to keep this society together. >> let me interrupt you right there so we can get a chance to bring everybody in. i wanted...
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i'm candy crowley from cnn state of the union. [ applause ] welcome to the second presidential debate. tonight's debate is a town hall, and our audience is 82 undecided
i'm candy crowley from cnn state of the union. [ applause ] welcome to the second presidential debate. tonight's debate is a town hall, and our audience is 82 undecided
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when the bill becomes law, unions will have the right to make their case. now workers will have the right to make their decision. >> can i switch gears briefly on the question of detroit city, its terrible finances, the likelihood that it's going into bankruptcy, some of the local politicians asked president obama to bail out detroit city. do you think a bail out like that's coming? >> i think we need detroit to accept responsibility. we need a healthy detroit. in michigan we want a healthy detroit. we need detroiters to accept responsibility. they are free to ask the president for more money. i can tell you there will not be more money coming from lansing. we need to get detroit fixed and move forward together. >> apparently mayor dave bing, the former basketball great and a good businessman before he was mayor says, and i will quote -- he blames the culture of victimization and entitlement for detroit's woes. i can write that large for the entire usa budget deficit but let's stick to detroit. is the mayor correct? >> i will leave mayor bing to stand for h
when the bill becomes law, unions will have the right to make their case. now workers will have the right to make their decision. >> can i switch gears briefly on the question of detroit city, its terrible finances, the likelihood that it's going into bankruptcy, some of the local politicians asked president obama to bail out detroit city. do you think a bail out like that's coming? >> i think we need detroit to accept responsibility. we need a healthy detroit. in michigan we want a...
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if you give union workers the right to opt out of the union, i don't think many will opt out. secondly, this is the kind of energization that the labor movement really needs in michigan. i think, one, you will see this get back on the ballot. there is a provision under the michigan constitution that allows this to get back on the ballot in the next election. i think you will see that. i think, as i said, you will see the governor have a difficult time with re-election, and i think this is going to be the kick in pants that labor needs in michigan. at the end of the day this could be something that could be a blessing in disguise for them. >> julian epstein, dr. james peterson, thank you so much. >>> next, a three-day workweek or why i could be calling mayflower movers and making d.c. my new home. >>> folks, there's been a lot of soul searching going on at fox news and i'm confident that they eventually will find one. for those with visions of doing this... ...this... ...and this, dancing in their heads... ...we have these. home depot gift cards. give the gift of doing, in-stor
if you give union workers the right to opt out of the union, i don't think many will opt out. secondly, this is the kind of energization that the labor movement really needs in michigan. i think, one, you will see this get back on the ballot. there is a provision under the michigan constitution that allows this to get back on the ballot in the next election. i think you will see that. i think, as i said, you will see the governor have a difficult time with re-election, and i think this is going...
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. >> those unions don't want it. we saw the clip when this story first came up that gal on the city council said detroit delivered for barack obama in the election, he should now bring home the bacon for detroit. the unions don't want it. the media don't want it. i'm not sure if dave bing who was a great basketball player, maybe not such a hot mayor. this thing has to go under a financial control board, doc. you know that. they're incapable of governing themselves in detroit. >> the problem is, in michigan we just had a referendum on a pretty strong emergency manager law we had in place. we go back to the old one now. and it's weaker. and the one thing that it won't be able to do is renegotiate those government worker contracts. which is what we need. >> then maybe governor snyder's got to be tougher. maybe he's got to come in with executive powers, doc. i don't know the state constitution. just saying it's very clear first of all detroit may be the largest bankruptcy in the country that. may be right on its way. sec
. >> those unions don't want it. we saw the clip when this story first came up that gal on the city council said detroit delivered for barack obama in the election, he should now bring home the bacon for detroit. the unions don't want it. the media don't want it. i'm not sure if dave bing who was a great basketball player, maybe not such a hot mayor. this thing has to go under a financial control board, doc. you know that. they're incapable of governing themselves in detroit. >> the...